To all you plebs casually playing with your cellphones and mindlessly trying to live the life you were told to believe in, listen up: We live in interesting times, and the world of today will be gone in twenty years. There is plenty of promising research into wireless BCI. When you see the shutdown message or the little green light go out or whatever, how will you know it’s not simply feeding you a manufactured experience of what. But for all its benefits, a VR-capable brain interface means that once you accept the implant, you can never again be sure that what you’re experiencing bears any resemblance to the real world. Whether it’s impossible or not remains to be seen, but there is an ocean of research to delve into first to find out, and human ingenuity often astounds. Do you truly imagine someone would confuse these two types/interpretations of “wireless”? Some will likely want use this technology as soon as it comes out to overcome physical constraints, for those people I suggest waiting the odd year for a safe removable and non hack-able version to become available. No one is arguing whether your point stands, it is rather self-evident. VR has clearly been an unhealthy influence on you. You somehow hold foreknowledge of all future human achievement? In 2017, the MIT Technology Reviewwrote that only one year later this technology could be mainstream and picked up by VR arcade companies. I am not saying you *are* wrong, but I’m saying you *sound* wrong, so please back your statement up with some facts. Very Viable to people who can see through the immediate culture shock of the situation and think in broader terms about body modification. I’ve found that tech is getting less reliable than ever before. How do you read extremely faint and simultaneously firing signals from deep within the brain, for example? This article may contain affiliate links. Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Ballmer have recently dropped by the app’s chat rooms. Let the fools become tempted by power and watch as it corrupts them. Notice how it’s not “very exciting work” or “very compelling work” or “very enjoyable and entertaining and magical work”. Imagine you want to buy a widget, so you place an order online and type your credit card number into a web browser. I’m already well aware of what you speak about. “It could allow you control a range of assisted robotic devices. A few might remember that he created Paypal. Such a device would hypothetically provide the ‘read & write’ capabilities to not only simulate all manner of sensations such as sight, sound, and touch, but also deeply understand what thought processes are going on within that feedback loop—making it the ‘perfect’ VR device to serve up virtual reality. I mean what I specifically say, we should be investing mind-share into near-field completely wireless solutions. Or for the more sentimentally-minded, perhaps getting to see lost loved ones or play with long-dead childhood pets. Once you implant a device to act as intermediary between your brain and real life, you will never again know for sure that what you’re experiencing bears any resemblance to external reality. If i want to pioneer new technology at the risk of brain or body damage, thats my risk to take and you cannot tell me thats immoral or bad. To my understanding it would essentially necessitate a holographic EM field to wirelessly interact with high enough resolution to replace wires. He’s made it extremely clear in multiple interviews that he thinks AI could eliminate the human race, having once likened its creation to “summoning a demon” that can’t be controlled. It won’t be all bad. This rather reminds me of advocating spending trillions of dollars creating colonies on Mars, an objectively horrible place to live certainly much worse than Earth, in favor of instead investing those resources in ensuring Earth itself remains vital into the future. Some days ago Elon Musk unveiled what Neuralink (his new company) is working on. These are more difficult to parse. We can use computers to better our lives without them entering our bodies and becoming a part of us. He was chosen by the elites to play the role of a Tony Starke type character, that makes people believe he’s a billionaire genius that’s going to usher in some utopian/great world. It may be possible to communicate with the brain through points in the other parts of the body without a implant into the brain. If you had fancy brain wires, you could answer your phone in your head without having to find a device and you could talk without having to speak. like I sad if it won’t give u a massive quality of life improvement like a paralyzed person would get almost no one will go beyond the super limited over the skull sensors Bruh, he’s not even talking about merging with uncontrolled AI, he’s talking about giving humans the data and the computational capacity of “governments and large corporations”. It’s pattern recognition more than anything which may be the best route as everyone’s brain works differently, with the brain even remapping itself due to novel stimuli each person experiences, or different types of trauma whether directly to brain or to the body with for instance a blind person’s ears being remapped to the visual cortex – something that even a sighted person can establish in part with practiced echolocation. And if we were to achieve this would anyone still want to live in the real world apart from people who are maintaining the system and certain religious groups? it is wireless …u can’t have wireless headphones without the thing that goes inside your ear or in this case inside your brain ….currently they r using a port on the skull https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=AhczXc3CKsLFwQLlt5zYDA&q=quadriplegic+skull+port&oq=quadriplegic+skull+port&gs_l=img.3…4372.7976..8119…0.0..0.251.1743.0j9j2……0….1..gws-wiz-img…….0j0i8i30j0i24.meHrdXnNfxY&ved=0ahUKEwjNy_OOzcPjAhXCYlAKHeUbB8sQ4dUDCAY&uact=5 or there might be wireless solutions too ... CEO Elon Musk — who was a former business … (nervous laugh)”. smoked marijuana on that previously-mentioned Joe Rogan podcast. If you can simulate sensations of feeling sight and touch then you don’t need it to be wireless. AR, VR, etc. By using Elon Musk's Neuralink (Neural Lace 2039???) Imagine it filtering out that truck driving towards you and replacing it with the view of a clear and empty road, up until the moment that truck plows into you. Trusting a third party to mediate your subjective experience is a dangerous proposition. Trusting a third party to mediate your subjective experience is a dangerous proposition. Wireless = high levels of EMF exposure and less information is able to be transmitted. it won’t “still work”. He’s made it extremely clear in multiple interviews that he thinks AI could eliminate the human race, having once likened its creation to “summoning a demon” that can’t be controlled. When you see the shutdown message or the little green light go out or whatever, how will you know it’s not simply feeding you a manufactured experience of what looks like it turning off while it continues to feed you a false reality? Things are moving quickly downwards. Brain surgery and implants are a harsh no for many people, not least of all because I’d like to be able to actually remove the device when I don’t feel like using it, or if someone’s literally trying to hack my brain. Giving DMT to people off in the hinterland of Africa they also report of the elves. Lots of virtual celebrity orgies, for one. God bless. There is a show called wisdom teaching on gaia. Wireless data collection is the norm for mind control now, I think we just need to focus on that, and creating targeted EM fields of high enough resolution for effective, reliable two-way communication between devices and the brain at short range. There is enough tribalism already; I don’t really appreciate being exposed to it around every corner I turn. For that matter, imagine sticking your smartphone into your head, and being able to simply think about somebody on your contact list and then have a direct brain-to-brain conversation with them. Great for the movie theater! Each person’s brain is a unique puzzle, so sticking wires in there may not always yield desired results either. They provide us with entertainment and driving directions, and we provide them with reproductive and evolutionary capabilities. My own point was rather that as augmentation to normal abilities, particularly in a consumer context, brain surgery and implants should continue to be a secondary line of research in favor of easily wearable wireless technologies – something which if developed to a sufficient degree will undoubtedly prove more than the sum of its parts. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Of course to have full dive VR we need both. It’s not like you can send an individual wire to every single neuron in the brain, but you could theoretically do it wirelessly. Let me explain, in elon musk's most recent presentation neural link was able to … Those demons want us to be like them, and they want to be like God. Out of empathy, very much unlike you, I’m forewarning people to not make stupid mistakes. I stopped reading at “you leftist nuts”. It’s not going to be very many more years until real-time editing of a person’s entire sensory experience will be practical. I expected a Sword Art reference, and found much better. https://t.co/0JqutFdkv2, — John Carmack (@ID_AA_Carmack) July 16, 2019. When you can go to the optometrist and get any pair glasses AR/VR capable as an option alongside anti-glare and scratch coatings, we’re living in a fundamentally different world of computational devices and interaction with technology – not to mention when this reaches contact lenses. stuffed with exciting new information. Obviously that’s bad, but if you never receive an order confirmation you’re probably going to be a bit suspicious. Two of the examples from the top of my head are small helmets for train staff that detect neurological brain activity and artificial intelligence with an aim to predict crimes ahead of time. I always thought he was sus…. As of now, companies have introduced BCI in VR, AR and XR, and have been able to detect emotions, objects in scene to interact with, and inputs from your limbs. Why Don’t Androids Dream of Electric Sheep Yet? Unless my body is failing and is in need of some sort of assistance from a device, I will not bother and will advise others, to not be stupid. ,NerveGear, exo-skeletons, Haptic suits maybe? Probably very few people think of him as the person who could potentially either cause or prevent the extinction of the human race. “So that could give a paralyzed person the ability to control, say for example, a 3D avatar that they could use for online gaming, or sports,” Sabes explains. I believe you’re either confused at my intentions or simply taking a “victory lap”? He then intercepts the order confirmation, and delivers a confirmation to you thanking you for your purchase of a widget. Also I bet you don’t even know a single thing about morality. Let the impatient and easily tempted become led away by the influence of power and watch what happens. Argument otherwise, outside of extreme circumstances already discussed otherwise in this thread are a wasted path in the face of actual use-case scenarios. I agree that there’s dangers and stuff in using and abusing this tech in ways that are just unnecessary, but all your talk and preaching about people seeing demons and basically connecting with God and stuff is a result of you buying into some ramblings of people with either overactive imaginations–surprise, they were on drugs–and those selling you a bunch of stories and lies in order to profit from your very human gullibility and fallibility and fear of being irrelevant and dying after living a meaningless life. It will be forever giving up control of your life, and these aren’t even the most dystopian scenarios. Or if you want to be less subtle, imagine spending the rest of your life seeing and hearing screaming babies being ground up in meat grinders…even when your eyes are closed and even after you’ve plucked them out in horror, because it’s feeding your brain that input directly without your eyes being required at all. I think you would be ready for it. But when you’re trying to do full VR, sensory lag could be a big deal. Home. But instead of that order being received by the company, imagine that a hacker intercepts it. A young man who was trying DMT regularly posed a question to the “machine elves” that people often describe seeing when on DMT. It was an optimistic estimate as consumers and hardware alike have required a transition and a… Having picture-perfect, that both of those stories contain horror elements? and in exchange it will pay for the implant surgery and throw in free, unlimited access to virtual celebrity orgies 24 hours a day. Sure itll be a risk but theres also the hope that this will improve aspects of our lives and even give you an edge above others. (or at least take breaks from full dive VR) And is VR a replacement for reality? See here for more information. It will be a race to see who can get ahead with brain/computer implanted communications. . They already do it here on disabled people. There are already a small but dedicated group of people around the world who experiment with implants for various purposes. That’s the. Now that’s some speculation if I have ever seen it. The current VR technology is very limited because it can stimulate only 2 senses: vision and hearing. The only way that can happen is to take these first baby steps. Elon Musk Details Neuralink Brain Interface Tech, Oculus CTO … What makes you think you’ll be able to? be sure that what you’re experiencing bears any resemblance to the real world. The goal of Neuralink isn’t to control the demon or stop it from being summoned, but to symbiotically, Humans, meanwhile, will probably eagerly stick computers into their brains. ,NerveGear, exo-skeletons, OpenWorld VR maybe? We’ve just forgotten how to use it. Besides being removable, non-invasive, and providing much simplified upgrading and servicing, it would also then allow for much faster iteration, and in turn with a better chance at mainstream acceptance due to a confluence of these factors among others, provide a much healthier revenue stream with which to continue advancing R & D. Of course, these benefits would not then just be limited to the average consumer but fold back into medical applications which would in many cases benefit equally. There’s a lot to unpack in Neuralink’s inaugural presentation, which Musk says is more of a recruiting tool more than anything. So giving the system direct access to write your brain aka slavery much? There’s also EMF radiation effects which would be amplified if transmitting directly inside your brain wirelessly. People have done scientific studies of this DMT land and made land surveys of it. It’s not like you can hook a wire to 100 billion neurons. You sound like you’re on the right path. The "full dive" technology (like the one in Sword Art Online, or Matrix, or in any other VR show) requires a direct link to the brain, which means: reading and writing the brainwaves. Why direct to the brain? Wireless = hack-able. Imagine you want to buy a widget, so you place an order online and type your credit card number into a web browser. As this is Road To VR though, the context of my thought was in mainstream consumer applications. Elon Musk has explicitly stated that Neurallink’s electrodes will feature both read. You know, you can google it yourself. Like: you implant something, then it communicates wirelessly to a nearby device. And if we were to achieve this would anyone still want to live in the real world apart from people who are maintaining the system and certain religious groups? Also people like joe dispenser have now come out with entire series dedicated to showing you meditation rituals that get your brain performing in higher wave states where you have the power to enhance creative intelligence while increasing the signals you transmit to your pineal gland. You’re attempting to create an image in the visual cortex and place it in a perceived real world location based on collected data, whether from external sensors or the very mind the system is interacting with. Again, take a look at where deepfakes are. It helps you imagine future outcomes. For a quadriplegic, the greater fidelity of control that a neural implant may provide could make a big difference in quality of life, and far outweigh the risks, whatever those may be. Entertainment. So now imagine that the hacker decides to start making changes. I don’t see many people electing brain surgery to play some games and answer their cell phone with a modicum more convenience though. Why attempt primarily at a goal, however grotesquely impressive its attainment may be, that is but a stopgap for what your true endpoint is? The Matrix movies envisioned computers using human brains as batteries, but what could an AI do with several billion brains worth of processing power? How would you even know it’s off when it’s the thing controlling your sensory experience? I can go on and on. Our advances in ,NerveGear, exo-skeletons, OpenWorld VR maybe? Go get help, just like all the so called “parents” that aborted their children for mere convenience and have resulted into depression from the common sense trauma you leftist nuts push them into. Lets look at a few examples: The ice man who can literally walk through snow naked and keep his internal organs at high enough temperatures to survive where all other humans would die achieved it through a Tibetan meditation that involves imagining a flame is inside your torso warming your organs. In that case, neither you nor the company have any way to know that anything’s wrong, because you’ve both received exactly what you expected to receive. So what if that hacker takes the order you placed, and then passes it on to the company, and when they send the confirmation, he intercepts that too and passes it back to you? By using Elon Musk's Neuralink (Neural Lace 2039???) He then intercepts the order confirmation, and delivers a confirmation to you thanking you for your purchase of a widget. Full-dive VR will enable those sorts of experiences. if elon gets involved with trying to make full dive VR happen, it WILL happen. watch the video of the presentation, they go into great detail of why they have to embed it into the brain to access the signals they need to detect and then go into great detail about the many, many medical conditions they hope to be able to treat, including paralysis, blindness, epilepsy, Parkinson’s disease, etc, etc. How many firmware updates does it take before it can be remotely controlled, what happens when it gets hacked? For example, skip to 7:53 in the Neuralink announcement: “The thing that will ultimately constrain our ability to, uhh…be symbiotic with AI, is bandwidth. Across the virtual aisle, Valve’s resident experimental psychologist Dr. Mike Ambinder took the stage at GDC 2019 back in March to lay out the state of BMIs and gaming, and how they’ll inform the future of game design. Or if you want to be less subtle, imagine spending the rest of your life seeing and hearing screaming babies being ground up in meat grinders…even when your eyes are closed and even after you’ve plucked them out in horror, because it’s feeding your brain that input directly without your eyes being required at all. Unless it’s for a medical reason, no one should be injecting anything Seek God and turn away from this nonsense. And don’t say anything before you think you really understand what’s going on. I doubt it’ll work completely for VR. Humans, meanwhile, will probably eagerly stick computers into their brains. Also people like joe dispenser have now come out with entire series dedicated to showing you meditation rituals that get your brain performing in higher wave states where you have the power to enhance creative intelligence while increasing the signals you transmit to your pineal gland. That’s what everyone wants. We already have a common link and thread as living things on this earth. I think this kind of thing would be very useful for people suffering issues where some kind of neural link may help improve their quality of life, but I just do not buy into the notion that this will ever become some kind of mass market thing that most people actually want to subject themselves too, and certainly not as long as it’s invasive in any way. But the real draw for the average person is going to be full-dive VR. We’d had phones exploding, airplanes malfunctioning causing all passengers to die, and Windows 10 has been a piece of garbage. The smart option is always the safer option even if it means limiting your capability to transmit information by waiting for a better option to come out after it’s been proven to be safe. You place an order for a widget, and he relays an order for a variety pack of bright pink dildoes to be delivered to his girlfriend. “There’s an incredible amount we can do to solve brain disorders and damage, and this will occur actually quite slowly. Reviews. technology isn’t as fast and as superior as many people portray it. Tube headphones are the exception as the world has it’s first radiation free blue-tooth now available on smart and safe.com. Still, it’s great to have a commercial player in that space :), We’ll need decades for this to be applied to healthy people… but it is already fascinating at this stage. Bet you’re an atheist and you believe that morality is mere opinion. The long-term view is definitely trending towards neuronal implants, Ambinder thinks though; he compares EEGs to sitting outside of a football stadium and trying to figure out what’s happening on the field just by listening to the intensity of the crowd’s reaction; it’s simply too noisy of a signal to reliably decode. he promised us on the Joe Rogan podcast last year. Having picture-perfect recall. Don’t just believe every single thing you read as gospel (pun intended); exercise some common sense, critical thinking, and maybe even do a bit of actual independent research so you’re a more all round informed person speaking from a position of authentic knowledge rather than ignorance and blind belief in whatever some random told/tells you in a way that appealed/appeals to you. You’re the type of person that would support censorship, don’t lie. Elon Musk has explicitly stated that Neurallink’s electrodes will feature both read and write capability. These are more difficult to parse. I personally trust my own body than some sort of device. In fact, it could easily be argued that the current human relationship with computers is already symbiotic. Create a new discussion. have already brought us halfway there. It doesn’t have to be as good as wires sticking into my brain if it still works. Full-dive VR will enable those sorts of experiences. It would also, I think, require a wireless approach not just to achieve mass adoption, but to out-compete highly advanced AR/VR glasses or even contact lenses in this space. nooo theyll wait till any other country invests and then theyll have secret employees still sensitive information . In its most basic sense, the company has created an implant capable of measuring spikes in electrical current directly where they happen, in the brain, with the intention of reading, processing, and eventually ‘writing’ information back to neurons via these tiny, flexible threads. What you might be able to do though is create a high enough resolution EM field to scan activity though. But for all its benefits, a VR-capable brain interface means that once you accept the implant, you can. An electrical (instead of the nervous system’s chemical) connection to your muscles from your brain. If you wanna stay in the know, it's gotta be a two way street.*. And while Oculus CTO John Carmack didn’t say as much after he visited Neuralink’s offices last week, he left fairly impressed with the startup’s work thus far. Virtual reality had provided customers an escape through realistic games and immersive experiences. 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That’s why the neural link has a connection through the skull, it’s not planned to be wireless. can never get as good of a signal wirelessly. It’s not going to be very many more years until real-time editing of a person’s entire sensory experience will be practical. And you’ll see it coming. A lot of people would go for that. By using Elon Musk's Neuralink (Neural Lace 2039???) Or Sword Art Online if you prefer. Since we as humans have a very limited range of senses, visible light been only a tiny fraction of what exists we are simply unaware of other forces going on around us, there are some scientists who are trying to explain this whole thing through quantum mechanics and the Akashic Field which is hard to understand but sounds like it could explain some of this stuff. No, I stopped reading because I don’t have time for people who have to bring political prejudice into every discussion because it is that attitude that is ruining our society. Welcome to the Matrix. My point was never to discourage body modification for those who are actually interested, just that it’s a small group who would decide to implant electronic interfaces into their brain unless there was a very serious benefit – of which VR and answering a cell phone for instance would certainly not qualify for many. If you were a quadriplegic looking for ways to improve your ability to interact with the world, you would be much more motivated. Psychiatric devices however (undoubted to eventually find off-label uses as recreation), to alleviate depression, PTSD, schizophrenia or even psychopathy (or temporarily induce it in soldiers), could still be wireless utilizing transcranial current and magnetic stimulation or other techniques. ,NerveGear, exo-skeletons, OpenWorld VR maybe? Gaming. AR, VR, etc. I was expecting some more cutting edge :p BCI that uses optogenetics would be something. It will be forever giving up control of your life, and these aren’t even the most dystopian scenarios. Nah, I think this is where things start to get very weird. Just like a phone, companies will do whatever they can to track you. You place an order for a widget, and he relays an order for a variety pack of bright pink dildoes to be delivered to his girlfriend.